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Loadstar Imaging Project

ZippyZapp

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Hello All,

(If you don't want to hear my nostalgic ramblings, feel free to skip to close to the end for what I am trying to do.) 😉
Loadstar is probably hands down my favorite reason for owning and using a C64 for as long as I did. I kept using my C64 well into the 90s, even as Amiga, PC and Mac became more my daily use systems. I subscribed to Loadstar for many years. I held on to a lot of my disks over the years but some accidentally went away when I sold off a chunk of my Commodore stuff. Thankfully, I had a lot of them in storage and retrieved them after 20 years in 2013. I have been using my original stuff pretty much since then. That is when I found the Loadstar Compleat and ordered a CD from Fender. It is fun to me to go through those old issues and the ones that I did not read back then. I loved reading the stories of the Loadstar Tower and all the great, tricks, programs, games, utilities and of course music files.

Thankfully the current images are good for the most part. I have run into a few with errors, non-working images and glitches from imaging to D64. D64 is fine for most things but since it is a lossy image format using it means that some data is not captured. This is mostly headers and more meta data as it would be called today but still it is not a preservation format or even close. Some issues of Loadstar contained disk sides that were commercial and some IIRC were copy protected. I can't state the issues that I remember but I know some of these softwares were not captured with Loadstar Compleat. Nor were the Best of and Sampler and subscriber special issues that had unique columns.

That and the fact that LS disks are not aging so great when it comes to physical floppy media, is why I started imaging all of my Loadstar disks. I have imaged about 500 disk sides so far. Keep in mind that many issues are 4 sides and there are a lot of special issues and collections sold at that time. I also have been given quite a few issues that I imaged, even if they were duplicates.

For simplicity I am using nibtools with a ZoomFloppy and a 1571 and 1541 with parallel port. I also have a Kryoflux with a 5.25" PC drive for very stubborn copy protections, which really is overkill for LS disks. .nib files capture the entire disk and while not a preservation format itself it does insure the disk image is good and captures all the bits that .D64 discards. I have an image station setup in my office that I have used to image 1000's of disks from Commodore, Amiga, IBM PC.

I have so many LS disks that i have had to remove the actual disk cookie from the vinyl jacket, wash by hand with detergent and put into new donor jackets just to get a good read. This is not a process for collectors as many times the disk is non-functional without doing this and is cut open and usually cannot be used again.

Project Goal
My goal is to re-image every issue of Loadstar, specials and distributed software so they will be perfect copies. They can easily be converted to .G64 or .D64 if needed, but anything other than .G64 is kind of pointless, IMHO. This is a huge project as it is next to impossible for one person to find all of the issues. I have another collection of 100 some odd disks that someone is sending, but I don't have high hopes as so many of these disks have gone bad. I have been doing this for the past few years, and would love to see it complete.

If you have Loadstar disks that you are wondering what to do with or you want to have them imaged please reach out to me. If you have the equipment, patience and time to image them it would be appreciated.

I would also love to hear your thoughts on this too. Thanks for sticking with me on this long rambling post.
 
@ZippyZapp Greetings - Nice to see another Loadstar fan!

Have you checked out the new version of Loadstar Compleat currently being maintained by @rodneylives? He's taken over maintaining the collection from Fender and has worked on adding a new Python based front-end menu. 😎


We're also working on offering individual issues here for download as well in our Resources section. Since the Compleat collection is still being maintained and the project is active, we won't offer the collection here in a single download, only the individual downloads. 👍



I have run into a few with errors, non-working images and glitches from imaging to D64
What kind of issues have you run into? @gumpy has identified problems with issues 45-74. I know @rodneylives has included the updated copies with the current version of Compleat, I'll need to go back and verify which version is available here.


with parallel port
Are you using a parallel port on an older machine or did you find a parallel port card for a modern PC?
 
Hello All,

(If you don't want to hear my nostalgic ramblings, feel free to skip to close to the end for what I am trying to do.) 😉
Loadstar is probably hands down my favorite reason for owning and using a C64 for as long as I did. I kept using my C64 well into the 90s, even as Amiga, PC and Mac became more my daily use systems. I subscribed to Loadstar for many years. I held on to a lot of my disks over the years but some accidentally went away when I sold off a chunk of my Commodore stuff. Thankfully, I had a lot of them in storage and retrieved them after 20 years in 2013. I have been using my original stuff pretty much since then. That is when I found the Loadstar Compleat and ordered a CD from Fender. It is fun to me to go through those old issues and the ones that I did not read back then. I loved reading the stories of the Loadstar Tower and all the great, tricks, programs, games, utilities and of course music files.

Thankfully the current images are good for the most part. I have run into a few with errors, non-working images and glitches from imaging to D64. D64 is fine for most things but since it is a lossy image format using it means that some data is not captured. This is mostly headers and more meta data as it would be called today but still it is not a preservation format or even close. Some issues of Loadstar contained disk sides that were commercial and some IIRC were copy protected. I can't state the issues that I remember but I know some of these softwares were not captured with Loadstar Compleat. Nor were the Best of and Sampler and subscriber special issues that had unique columns.

That and the fact that LS disks are not aging so great when it comes to physical floppy media, is why I started imaging all of my Loadstar disks. I have imaged about 500 disk sides so far. Keep in mind that many issues are 4 sides and there are a lot of special issues and collections sold at that time. I also have been given quite a few issues that I imaged, even if they were duplicates.

For simplicity I am using nibtools with a ZoomFloppy and a 1571 and 1541 with parallel port. I also have a Kryoflux with a 5.25" PC drive for very stubborn copy protections, which really is overkill for LS disks. .nib files capture the entire disk and while not a preservation format itself it does insure the disk image is good and captures all the bits that .D64 discards. I have an image station setup in my office that I have used to image 1000's of disks from Commodore, Amiga, IBM PC.

I have so many LS disks that i have had to remove the actual disk cookie from the vinyl jacket, wash by hand with detergent and put into new donor jackets just to get a good read. This is not a process for collectors as many times the disk is non-functional without doing this and is cut open and usually cannot be used again.

Project Goal
My goal is to re-image every issue of Loadstar, specials and distributed software so they will be perfect copies. They can easily be converted to .G64 or .D64 if needed, but anything other than .G64 is kind of pointless, IMHO. This is a huge project as it is next to impossible for one person to find all of the issues. I have another collection of 100 some odd disks that someone is sending, but I don't have high hopes as so many of these disks have gone bad. I have been doing this for the past few years, and would love to see it complete.

If you have Loadstar disks that you are wondering what to do with or you want to have them imaged please reach out to me. If you have the equipment, patience and time to image them it would be appreciated.

I would also love to hear your thoughts on this too. Thanks for sticking with me on this long rambling post.
Wow! Does VICE run G64 disks? Do you have any disks that aren't in Loadstar Compleat? I'd love to include them! And are there any disks you need? I still have bunches of disks from back when I was a beta tester.
 
Wow! Does VICE run G64 disks? Do you have any disks that aren't in Loadstar Compleat? I'd love to include them! And are there any disks you need? I still have bunches of disks from back when I was a beta tester.

Yes, VICE runs g64 images. We are missing the Compleat Print Shop Collections and the Best of Loadstar disks (There were five of them).
 
Thanks for the info and much appreciation for what you all do. To answer some questions from above:
Have you checked out the new version of Loadstar Compleat currently being maintained by @rodneylives? He's taken over maintaining the collection from Fender and has worked on adding a new Python based front-end menu.
I have purchased the new version from itch.io. I have not yet dove into it but I intend to check it out.

What kind of issues have you run into? @gumpy has identified problems with issues 45-74. I know @rodneylives has included the updated copies with the current version of Compleat, I'll need to go back and verify which version is available here.
I will have to go through some of my notes at work. It seems the issues were some minor differences and a few with disk errors that were actually saved to the .D64. This was before I started keeping track of things though. I would say that they probably are in the range of 45-74. I have many of those originals so I can provide some clean copies if needed.

What was identified already with the 45--74 disks?

Are you using a parallel port on an older machine or did you find a parallel port card for a modern PC?
I guess I should be a little more clear when talking technical stuff. I use a ZoomFloppy which is USB and I have it set up on a dedicated non-internet connected Widows XP system that acts as an imaging station. It also has a KryoFlux and SuperCard Pro. I also use a modern computer for some things and storge. (Windows 10/11). The parallel connection I was reffering to is a 1541 add-on for imaging and copying copy protected disks. It is basically a Burst Nibbler cable that the card edge that normally plugs into the C64 user port plugs into the ZoomFloppy instead. The 1571 kind of makes this not needed though since it can nibble via Commodore Serial Bus (IEC).

After I image this last batch of 100+ Loadstar disks I will see what I am missing. A lot still. I can happily provide anything you need that might be missing that I might have images of from my originals.

Yes, the Best of disks are for sure missing and should be included, IMHO. I know for sure I have 1-4 plus sampler 1991. I don't know yet if I have 5.
 
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What was identified already with the 45--74 disks?
I'll leave it to Ricky & John to go into the technical details but, from that thread, they ran into issues with bad REL and USR files.

The 1571 kind of makes this not needed though since it can nibble via Commodore Serial Bus (IEC).
That's the setup I'm (slowly) building here at home, a 1571 with a XoomFloppy (version of the ZoomFloppy) hooked up to my PC. An experiment that I want to eventually run is that I know OpenCBM can be used with VICE to read directly from the Commodore drive but I'm really curious if I could use something like Big Blue Reader running in VICE to read an MS-DOS 5.25" from the 1571.

I was reading up on the KryoFlux and came across some conversations about KryoFlux claiming copyright of the images created using the device. Any insight into that one? 🤔
 
Yes, that was the problem we encountered. The problem was with the 1581 images, the ones that Loadstar Compleat's menu uses, the 1541 issues are okay. The problem affects GEOS files (they have a custom format) and anything that uses REL files. There are some later files that are affected too, I seem to remember, that aren't fixed. In a few cases I've included 1541 images in the menu explorer version of Loadstar Compleat and pointed the menu to use those.
 
I'll leave it to Ricky & John to go into the technical details but, from that thread, they ran into issues with bad REL and USR files.


That's the setup I'm (slowly) building here at home, a 1571 with a XoomFloppy (version of the ZoomFloppy) hooked up to my PC. An experiment that I want to eventually run is that I know OpenCBM can be used with VICE to read directly from the Commodore drive but I'm really curious if I could use something like Big Blue Reader running in VICE to read an MS-DOS 5.25" from the 1571.


I was reading up on the KryoFlux and came across some conversations about KryoFlux claiming copyright of the images created using the device. Any insight into that one? 🤔
Sorry for the late reply.
Yes for most things a ZoomFloppy and a 1571 are perfect. As for KryoFlux I didn't know anything about their copyright on images other than they have a huge archive behind them that you can submit to but they do not share it in any way. I mean what is the point of preserving these disks if nobody can ever see them or use them? I do know that their sps format is closed and the only way you can get an image in that format is to send them a RAW image in the KryoFlux format and they will send you one back. I mostly use the KryoFlux for Amiga ADF disk images really and occasionally for G64 images for C64 protections that ZF can't handle. The other imager that I would recommend is SuperCard Pro. Jim Drew of CBM Stuff is working on the new version and it will be a sort of copy station and looks really cool.
Yes, that was the problem we encountered. The problem was with the 1581 images, the ones that Loadstar Compleat's menu uses, the 1541 issues are okay. The problem affects GEOS files (they have a custom format) and anything that uses REL files. There are some later files that are affected too, I seem to remember, that aren't fixed. In a few cases I've included 1541 images in the menu explorer version of Loadstar Compleat and pointed the menu to use those.
Oh gotcha. I have quite a few 1581 Loadstar disks but not sure I have the lower issues. Mostly 100 and above IIRC. I haven't actually started imaging the 3.5" LS disks yet. Those technically should be easier since I can use a PC drive and KF to create them.
 
I love that you kept them for so long. I still have all the 1541 disks I got beta testing for them. At VCFMW, someone came along with a box of lots of old issues they had gotten at an estate sale. Coincidentally enough, someone else was there who missed out on the physical packaged issues Fender gave me to hand out, and I would have difficulty carrying the box home anyway (I was dragging around a heavy duffel bag), so I gave them all to him! I hope he found them useful.
 
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